E-mu Emulator Sampler User Forum for the EIII EII EI and EIII XP

Does anybody has experiance with the EIII Remote software?

It communicates with EIII over MIDI, right?

If yes, is there a documentation about the sysex-code. Want to fit my REGELWERK to control some parameters.

Every input is welcome :)

I remember having inquired some people, including Rob from the archive, to get the full MIDI specs of the EIII.
The answer was that no such document exists (anymore).

Of course it can be reverse engineered by sniffing the MIDI communication between Mac EIII Remote control software and EIII.
Combined with (probably) some compatibility or similarity with the documented SYSEX specs of the Emax, this should result in a usable SYSEX specification for the EIII.

This is something I was planning to do once I have a lot of free time :-)

///E-Synthesist

The remote control for the EIIIx is based on the software for the EIII.
Checking it's sysex info could be of some help. (Provided that exists).

I found the software and the manual for it, if someone is interested.

The EIII remote runs on a MAC, as does the EIIIx version, perhaps it can run under windows via an emulator.
The EIII software had a dead link, but I guess I can get that too.

I have this kind of software for the Kurzweil 2xxx. It can be pretty handy I must say.

What it does: It sends the sysex codes for the buttons, so the EIII acts as if the button is pressed. The EIII also returns the LCD info some way.

Regards,

Peter.

a late Thx to all for the ideas

Do you mean that you found the original CD with the software and the original manual...? In that case I am very very interested...

Regards,

Lubos

Also very interested ! Would it be possible to upload them somewhere in this forum ?

Nope, it's the pdf, that can be found on emu's website and a .sit file for Macintosh. I don't know if it works, I don't use a Mac. Sorry.

Regards,

Peter.

If you give me your email-address, I can send it to you. It's only 370 kB.

I can't test it, so it would be nice if you let me know if it works. If it works I'll put it on the web for download.

Regards,

Peter.

These .sit files from EmulatorArchive I have already, but I simply did not succeed to transfer the decompressed files (by Stuffit Expander) from PC to my old Mac...  I wonder if someone could possibly explain the procedure - step by step - to an imbecile like me...

1.) Format a zip disk with your "old" mac.
2.) Use a modern mac to download the stuff.
3.) unstuff the stuff you downloaded on the modern mac
4.) connet a USB zip drive to the modern mac
5.) insert the old-mac-formatted zip disk into the usb drive connected to the modern mac
6.) drag'n drop the unstuffed stuff you downloaded onto the old zip disk
7.) load the zip disk on your old mac
8.) have fun

 :)

 :) Many thanks for your valuable advice, I will follow these steps....  :)

But still, I am curious how the .sit files could be transferred from Win or Linux based PC (without a modern Mac) to the vintage Mac...

don't mess with that.
try to get access to a modern mac and unstuff everything on that before putting it to the old mac.

Nicely put, indeed... why to mess with PC... this kind of lesson I really needed... !

Many thanks again and my warmest regards!

Lubos

I use Transmac for this purpose, works really good: http://transmac.softonic.de/

I run both remotes, for EIII and EIIIXP, both with an old trusty Mac IIci.

Many thanks for this great tip, I have downloaded the Transmac and will try...

Finally the EIII RC and the EIIIX RC transferred with Transmac, and... IT WORKS with EIIIX perfectly, a whole new world has opened for me, for controlling the EIIIX is a breeze now...........!! Tomorrow I will try with EIII...

I owe to you a bottle of whiskey... !

Please let us know if it works with the EIII too.

YES, it works..!! and it works perfectly! (EIII Rack, 8MB, OS, 2.42). The only thing I have to adjust is under MIDI setup : Thru: switch to Echo Opposite (Off does not work from unknown reason).

Oh, this is a bright day...

That's great news  :D

Is it possible to provide me with some of the SysEx messages so I can try and make the EIII communicate with a Windows/Linux PC?

I tried some variations from the EMAXII protocol, adapting the device ID, but had no succes.

There are several ways to read the messages, e.g. Midi-monitor from an U20/U220, or MidiOx software.

Regards,

Peter. 

Of course, with pleasure!... I will monitor it with the MidiOx... It would be a fantastic thing to have it working also under Win, and - even better - under Linux... !!

Best wishes,

Lubos

great!

That let me hope :)

My dream: "Regelwerk" to EIII...

When EIII RemoteController launches, it transmits to EIII:

 TIMESTAMP IN PORT STATUS DATA1 DATA2 CHAN NOTE EVENT               
 000AD9C0   2   4     F0  Buffer:     7 Bytes   System Exclusive     
 SYSX: F0 18 03 07 01 0A F7
 000ADABB   2   4     F0  Buffer:     7 Bytes   System Exclusive     
 SYSX: F0 18 03 07 00 0A F7

The 6 modules transmitted from EIII RC (Master, Sample, Preset Man., Digital Proc., Preset Def., Analog Proc.)

 TIMESTAMP IN PORT STATUS DATA1 DATA2 CHAN NOTE EVENT               
 00070191   2   4     F0  Buffer:     7 Bytes   System Exclusive     
 SYSX: F0 18 03 07 01 28 F7
 00070DE8   2   4     F0  Buffer:     7 Bytes   System Exclusive     
 SYSX: F0 18 03 07 01 29 F7
 00071BFA   2   4     F0  Buffer:     7 Bytes   System Exclusive     
 SYSX: F0 18 03 07 01 00 F7
 000725D8   2   4     F0  Buffer:     7 Bytes   System Exclusive     
 SYSX: F0 18 03 07 01 08 F7
 000730C5   2   4     F0  Buffer:     7 Bytes   System Exclusive     
 SYSX: F0 18 03 07 01 12 F7
 00073D41   2   4     F0  Buffer:     7 Bytes   System Exclusive     
 SYSX: F0 18 03 07 01 02 F7

When pressed Master module from EIII panel, it transmits to EIII RC:

 TIMESTAMP IN PORT STATUS DATA1 DATA2 CHAN NOTE EVENT               
 000F5097   2   4     F0  Buffer:    26 Bytes   System Exclusive     
 SYSX: F0 18 03 07 10 08 01 09 00 08 0C 20 20 20 20 20 20 20
 SYSX: 4D 41 53 54 45 52 20 F7
 000F50A6   2   4     F0  Buffer:    26 Bytes   System Exclusive     
 SYSX: F0 18 03 07 10 20 20 20 20 20 20 09 40 08 0C 08 01 09
 SYSX: 00 09 07 4D 41 53 54 F7
 000F50B2   2   4     F0  Buffer:    26 Bytes   System Exclusive     
 SYSX: F0 18 03 07 10 45 52 08 0C 09 54 20 53 65 6C 65 63 74
 SYSX: 20 61 20 53 75 62 6D F7
 000F50BE   2   4     F0  Buffer:    14 Bytes   System Exclusive     
 SYSX: F0 18 03 07 10 6F 64 75 6C 65 20 09 00 F7
 000F50C4   2   4     F0  Buffer:    11 Bytes   System Exclusive     
 SYSX: F0 18 03 07 10 0A 6D 7F 43 05 F7

Hope it helps...!

Lubos

Fantastic!!! Thanks very much already  :D

Tried this too, but the remote soft didn't work!

The little midi-remote-keybord from the tools menu sends notes to the eiii, but the (remote-) display is still empty and the remote-functions doesn't matter anything to the EIII.
I tried "Wait for EIII" and "Beginn macro controll", but nothing happens.

Where can i see the version# of the remote soft?

What have i to setup in the EIII and the Remote-Soft?

Did you do this adjustment in the MIDI setup of the Remote Controller : Thru: switch to Echo Opposite..? When I leave it Off - which is default - it does not work..!

...and you have the EIII connected bi-directionally to the Mac, I suppose..?

...and are you using the latest OS (2.42) in your EIII..? EIIIX needs at least OS 1.31 for the Remote Controller.

Also:
 1. Check MIDI cables and interface

2. Make sure that the EIII SCSI ID (MASTER/GLOBALS/Disk Utilities, 0 ) and the Remote Controller IDs (Control Menu) both match !!!

Make sure thet the MIDI port on the Remote Controller is set correctly.

thanks a lot lubb!

the ID was wrong! Now it works!


Is rher anywere a documentation about the remote soft?

yes, on the Emulator Archives, but the link for downloading does not work any more. if you let me know your email, I will send you the RC manual in PDF.

Thanks for the pdf, lubb!

Question to all:

Is there anywere in the world a spec-sheet with all sysex data?

Remote is fine, but "only" a frontpanel simulation. Of course you can record the "touch"-sequences, but then you have about 5 to 10 F0...F7 Strings.
I three a direct access to the parameters possible?

Emulatorarchive said "no"...
But maybe it's out there somewhere.
Unfortunately the EIII was released one year later than the release of De Furia's MIDI System Exclusive Book.

thanks for these info

Emax has a more or less "fine" MIDI-implementation, i wonder why it isn't by the former "king" of the e-mu series... ???

It's probably as fine as the Emax implementation, but we just don't have the full specs.
The implementation of the EIII seems to resemble more the EII's protocol than the Emax protocol.
A kind of non-sysex EII protocol converted into a SYSEX sausage  :)
But I'm not sure.

i made last night a "trial/error-EIII sysex remote" with the c-lab creator -ok, it is very dilettantish, but it works :)

There were a lot of problems - it will be sure peannuts if there were a "nice" spec:
I recorded the handling of the mac EIII Remote into Creator

1. Data slider: EIII Slider provides 256 steps, the sysex is divided in two strings, now i've to use two vituel-sliders to make the whole slider way (the first one makes the first 50% 0...127, the secend one the last 50% 0...127)

2. If you choose a submodul like Analog...->VCF... there a three display pages, the cursor is normally at the last used parameter position.
To get every Parameter exactly, i've done these...for example VCF Decay at the third page:

[Analog..]
[VCF] nobody knows where the cursor position is
[<] if you're at page 3 it will go to 2
[<] and then 1, if already 1 it doesn't matter
[^] Curser up to cut off
[>] go to page 2
[>] go to page 3 - still don't know the exact cursor position
[^] now 5 times cursor up to VCF Attack, doesn't matter if you're already there,
[^] but maybe it is on VCF Release
[^] ..
[^] ..
[^] here i'm sure at VCF Attack
[V] now going to VCF Hold
[V] BINGO: Here is VCF DECAY

For VCF Q it needs only

[Analog..]
[VCF] but nobody still knows where the cursor position is
[<] if page 3 it will go to 2
[<] page 1
[^] Curser up to cut off
[V] BINGO: Q


For all steps it needs a [F0......F7] string, don't know how to create a sounddiver application, for Doepfer Regelwerk or Drehbank these are to much strings.

now i've for my most importent parameter a short midi-sequence (edited to two quarter notes long) with the remote string, each parameter has it's own track.

To use the remote i select the (parameter)track and play it solo, then i can use my two virtuel sliders or the original EIII-slider to adjust the amount.

It's faster then EIII frontpanel programming!!!

Can't believe it, but the first section works


Microsoft Excel remotes Emulator III

(http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4085/5094518849_fd52354d5e_b.jpg)


with absolut newbie-vba-knowledge, the solution is very simple and also very dilettantish.
At the moment it is only DIRECT PARAMETER ACCESS, the values still have to be set with the EIII-Data-Slider or +/-
Next time i will add VCA and others.

It makes really fun!

...will be continued...

EXCEL-Remote:

The next step i've done was to create a "data-slider" simulation.
The problem was, that the slider needs two midi-strings for the 256 slider steps (0..127/..0 & 0...127/..1)
With a simple if..then..routine i divorced the values in seperate strings.
The solution was, to create a midi-file with a vba-macro and write the current "EXCEL-slider string" into.

i don't know what i do but it still works. :)

next screenshots comming soon...

 

Great work!!!  Keep going!!!  Keep reporting!!!   ;D

I realize this is an old thread. I will create a new thread with the same information, but just wanted to close the loop here:

I heard from Bob Bliss himself (author of the old EIII RC/Librarian) that the Sysex implementation on the EIII was definitely an after-thought and that they did not have room for any more than a simple "terminal emulation" style of Sysex.

That is to say in no uncertain terms: The EIII has NO sysex implementation other than remote control of buttons and sliders. There is no direct access to edit parameters.

I hope to have my EIII remote available for beta testing soon on Mac & Windows using the free MaxPlayer.

-Dave