Need help, EIIIxp doesn't start: CLIP - inside

[ubass]

Hi, my little baby has arrived yesterday (Xp 32 megs ram no hd) and it doesn't like any disk. I formatted 5 different kinds of diskettes with Omniflop latest version, Emax 512- etc format the *.is 2.1 version os, but no luck. The drive starts making some noise, then the lcd counts scsi id numbers in sequence 1 to 7 and then from the beginning (drive noise etc). Any idea?

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Thanks

[Escobar]

You say that you're using Emax 512 format OS disks? You may have formated the disks wrong; instead of formating it for EIIIxp you have formated it for Emax and that's why it can't find the operating system, keeps going on searching for it.

[ubass]

You say that you're using Emax 512 format OS disks? You may have formated the disks wrong; instead of formating it for EIIIxp you have formated it for Emax and that's why it can't find the operating system, keeps going on searching for it.

Thanks but that's what a post in this forum say abot formatting an EIIIxp! The image is an 800kb one and with Omniflop there's no EIIIx format. Am I wrong?
I read this: http://eiiiforum.com/index.php?topic=28.0

[Escobar]

I checked into OmniFlop and you can actually find two format types for Emax, one with standard format 800kb and one with 1024-byte sectors 800kb. Try the the 1024-byte version if you haven't done that already. Btw, download the latest version of OmniFlop to be sure you will have all format types.
I read the thread (<-- ! ) and maybe you're using wrong type of disk, a High Density disk and formated it as a Double Density disk, if so, you need to block the identity hole (the hole that cannot be closed) with a piece of tape to make it possible for your EIIIxp to read the disk. This might be the problem.

[ubass]

 
floppies are ok (dd no hd) and tried everything till now (1024 format).
Well, now I think is a floppy drive issue: I mounted it on my pc and it doesn't seem to be working at all ("the drive is busy" warning) . Do you think I can transfer the floppy image on scsi HD and startup system from there?

[Escobar]

If you can mount the SCSI HD to your PC with sucess, I guess it would be possible to transfer disk image to HD drive. Though I've never done that my self. Worth a try.

[ubass]

I'm waiting for a Segate... I'll let you know if this work

[ubass]

Ok, some news from the floppy nightmare: I can't find a way to transfer on the "new" HD (Seagate 1gb) the floppy Os2.1 EIIIxp image. Any chance to do this or, can somebody here make an Hd disk image of EIIIxp?
Thank you for your patience

[Escobar]

I was thinking about the diskdrive, why don't you just replace it with a new 'IDE' one?
If you need to change the ID of the diskdrive (from ID1 to ID0) you can twist the conductors of the flatribbon-cable like picture below.
Twist the conductors 10, 11, and 12, the red conductor is always #1. Doing this you don't need to solder the diskdrive or anything.

[ubass]

I was thinking about the diskdrive, why don't you just replace it with a new 'IDE' one?
If you need to change the ID of the diskdrive (from ID1 to ID0) you can twist the conductors of the flatribbon-cable like picture below.
Twist the conductors 10, 11, and 12, the red conductor is always #1. Doing this you don't need to solder the diskdrive or anything.

Escobar, should I twist the actual EIIIxp cable and use my Pc floppy drive (a Sony) or I must buy a new Teac fd-235, mentioned on Emulatorarchive as spare part?
Thanks

[Escobar]

You should twist the EIIIxp cable and use the Sony PC floppy drive. If you get the Teac fd-235 you don't need to twist the cable. The reason you twist the cable is to change the ID of floppy drive without need for soldering on the floppy drive itself. Floppy drives has something called Mode Select DS. 'Modern' floppy drives are 'strapped' (or you can call it 'programmed') with mode DS1 (or as I wrote ID1, it means the same thing). Older floppy drives, those find in EIII/xp, Emax, Atari, Amiga, and so forth, are strapped as DS0 or ID0. To change this drive select mode without making any physical changes to the drive you can twist the data ribbon cable for the disk drive, i.e. it's the same thing to do. If you don't like the idea of twisting the ribbon cable you have in your EIIIxp, go to a computer store and ask for a 34pin data ribbon cable special made for floppy drives, and ask if they can help you with it. Remember: the RED coloured conductor of the ribbon cable is the number one (1), then count from that till you find conductor 10, 11, and 12. Twist those three conductors so that 10, and 12 change place.

[ubass]

Many thanks Escobar, more news later...

[ubass]

Escobar you're the man!!! New floppy is now working. 
ps: This tips from Escobar should be sticky.
Thanks a lot

[Escobar]

Nice to read that it works!
I found the solution on a website about Prophet 2000 actually. I needed to repair one of it's drive too.
Good luck!

Escobar

[rectape]

Hi Escobar,

I got the same problem with a sony floppy.

I try this and now when the emu start he recognize the os 2.1 but still continu to search scsi device...
Do you know if I got to put terminators on the eIII or maybe somethin with the motherboard jumpers?

Thank you.